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来点实际的吧:如何滑冰疙瘩和严重冰面(黑道)

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楼主
发表于 2013-12-11 01:03:21 | 显示全部楼层
snowrider 发表于 2013-12-9 19:20
我一點都沒誇張 ... 在滑雪場上面一大堆 *熱心人士* 會熱心地主動地來 *教* 你該如何滑雪 ...
跟那個 Mar ...

我找到一篇適合你的風格跟想法。

引言如下:

http://www.kiwiski.net/hard-pack ... -on-how-to-ski-ice/

We haven’t received new snow in Mammoth for two weeks now and some people are getting twitchy. In that time the Mountain has been making snow and they opened Chair 10 so it is not all bad. The groomed runs are still great but it can be on the icy side. It is not quite true ice like you would find at Whakapapa in New Zealand or out East in the States, but when you get spoilt for powder, as we do in Mammoth, we like to call it ice. Most people baulk at the idea of skiing ice, they feel less control, it’s noisy and it hurts to fall on. However skiing ice and mastering it can be both fun and rewarding, here’s a few tips to help.

1. Widen your stance if you have a narrow one.
The first thing to do is look at your stance, having a slightly wider stance than usual helps to give you more support, it also lowers your centre of gravity slightly aiding balance too.
Exercise: Play around with your width of stance, one exercise to try are Cowboy Turns where you pretend to be riding a horse with your feet super wide apart. Try that for a run or two but remember it is an exercise so don’t ski like that all the time!

2. Balance on your outside ski
Make sure you are balanced on your outside ski. Feel like you are standing on the inside of that foot more strongly. This helps to get more pressure on that edge and hopefully gets it to bite into the snow to give you grip. Making sure your upper body is stable is key in this area, if you let it fall to the inside of the turn too much or twist to the inside then your skis are likely to slide out from under you.
Exercise: There are a million exercises to aid balancing on the outside ski. Sometimes just making sure your inside hand doesn’t drop down to the inside of the turn will help. Or next time your skiing on easier terrain try lifting up your inside ski whilst turning and see if you can balance solely on the outside ski.

3. Aim for round turns
Make round turns and use the shape to control speed, you can even direct the skis up the hill a little to help speed control, don’t get this confused with just traversing however which is a waste of time. You could think of slowing your movements down a bit so that you don’t ‘spin out’ or skid excessively. I like the analogy of driving a car on ice, sudden movements on the wheel can lead to loss of traction and control. The same applies to skiing on ice, quick movements can lead to a loss of grip (on ice it is easy for us to over steer our skis into a skid because of the smooth surface). You might ask then why racers often use aggressive movements on icy courses? well they have highly tuned equipment and bodies, whilst it is inspiring to see them ski, replicating what they do is beyond the average recreational skier otherwise we would all be world cup racers!
Exercise:Try to slow down your movements, counting can help with this. Visualize a round arch and try to stay on it.

4. Use sharp skis
Have your skis tuned and edges sharp, no amount of good technique is going to make your skis grip if they have blunt edges.

5. Put your skis on edge
Conversely even the sharpest skis are not going to grip if they are not edged into the snow. By this I mean the ski needs to be tipped onto its side allowing the ski to cut the snow. It is best to achieve this by feeling like you are rolling your ankles and knees into the hill. Try to keep your upper body still when you do this which will help with balancing on the outside ski.
Exercise: Try traversing (it is not a waste of time of it is a drill!) and roll your ankles and knees into the hill, you should feel your ski grip more and the ski will turn into the hill more too. Try this on both sides. Just make sure that when you are trying this exercise that you pick a quiet slope where you can be easily seen from above.

6. Keep terrain in your comfort zone
Take it easier on the terrain you ski. It is a good idea to ski terrain a level or two below what you usually would. For example, if Cornice, a black run at Mammoth, is the limit of your powers then don’t even bother going there on an icy day. On that note I wouldn’t recommend Cornice to anyone at the moment, last time I skied it it was pretty icy with rocks and other hazards waiting for the errant skier.

7. Be aware
Ski safe, by this I mean be aware of others around you, some of which might have less control in the icy conditions.

Skiing on ice is a great learning experience, it certainly points out any deficiencies in your technique out to you. But if you persevere it can teach you a lot of things about skiing, it is just another condition to master in order to become an accomplished skier.
沙发
发表于 2013-12-11 20:29:31 | 显示全部楼层
snowrider 发表于 2013-12-11 11:00
弱慢兄 - 你所引用的那一篇文章 ... 不管作者的 credential 是什麼 ... 我認為他所寫的只是一般性的雪道! ...

要不要考慮說說你的要點?

但我還是稍說明我的想法:

這作者是在紐西蘭。

紐西蘭在八月時,滑冰是稀鬆平常的事,那就只能說,你所謂的冰面是什麼?為何認為只可能你那兒有?

我不是提到過我在紐西蘭在冰面滑倒的事嗎?當時我一個初學者站一個大八字,一轉彎就滑倒,不是摔到手腕,就是摔到肩膀,不然就是手肘,這些都是一滑倒就第一個撞到的位置,最嚴重一次是手肘撞地,引起肩膀撞側下巴,我當下脖子痛死了,在原地頭昏眼花休息很久,我都懷疑再多點力道,我的脖子就斷了,這樣還不叫冰面,我就不知什麼叫冰面了,在惠斯樂遇到流水型的冰面,我都覺得還沒在紐西蘭遇到的恐怖呢,至少一個還能慢慢滑剎,一個是只要一轉彎就滑倒(當時雪場人也不少,就我一個人傻傻在那完全沒人的冰面上滑倒練功,還被纜車上的人嘲笑呢,那天至少滑倒超過五十次以上)。

我差點摔斷脖子的冰面就像下面這種,一模一樣,只是一個是好十公尺左右的範圍,一個是這樣的小冰塊而已。



另一種就像這種的表面,半透明的,含水溼溼滑滑的,就在綠線上而已,所以沿路一堆初中級的滑雪者卡在這上面下不來:



還有一種冰面球,像下面這種鋪滿的雪道,滑起來腳又痛又忽快忽慢的打滑:




當然,以上你可以當作我是胡扯的,但這就是問題了。

那篇文章寫得很實際,有幾點我就想要問問:

1. 研究競技者的滑冰面技術,有助加強學會滑冰面技巧:那是要練到像競技那麼強才行,還是不用?要是不用,為何競技者要做大量的平衡練習練得那麼強去競技?這是一般人能逹到的程度嗎?

2. 大多數的人技術沒那麼高,更多的是初中級滑雪者,那這作者寫的文章就很實用了。

就我個人看來,其實你早已看過不少答案了,而真正的答案應該是有的,要嘛,不是你已知了,不然就是潛意識不認同。

這就有兩個問題產生,要嘛,就像一般滑雪者克冰面的方法,或是追求你可能練不到或練不會的高技術性滑冰技巧。

除外,我想不出其他理由了。
板凳
发表于 2013-12-11 21:14:07 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 norman 于 2013-12-11 21:15 编辑
KuoiGuaBoarder 发表于 2013-12-11 20:39

  • 要的,


  • 那我來個為snowrider兄拋磚引玉寫點東西好了,不認同就當我胡扯了。

    個人看法有幾點:

    1. 鋼邊要磨利,至少不能有毛邊,最佳就是手指在上面一抺都能像利刀一樣割出個傷口。

    2. 腰身半徑要夠小,兩個點鋼邊靠近腳掌一點總是有利的。

    3. 站姿要寛,就算沒馬步,至少要比肩寛,以防外腳不小心打滑時,還有一隻內腳在身體下獨溜。

    4. 超高C立刃,意思是新彎的立刃時機越早越好,不要隨便轉動腳,要直接立刃。

    5. 膽子。

    針對第4點詳細解釋一下,疱丁解牛,刀至少要利吧?除了利,還要下刀快、狠、準,刀不但要使出巧勁,還要入刀準,刀刀還要順著肌理劃下去。

    再者,不知有沒有人吃過刀削冰?沒吃過,看一下影片也行。

    一段刀削冰新聞。
    http://news.cts.com.tw/cts/life/201007/201007120515746.html

    另一段刀削冰影片。


    刀削冰也是一樣,刃不夠「利」,角度不對也削不出雪花來,結合了疱丁解牛的技巧,滑冰面自然容易又優美多了。

    這就是技術,有技術也要有好刃,磨刀不誤砍柴工,道理就這樣而已。

    我要是拿著滑好幾天,鋼邊都起毛邊捲起來了,還拿它來滑冰面,要不是我的平衡能力超高,就是自己找自己樂子了。
    地板
    发表于 2013-12-11 21:27:30 | 显示全部楼层
    KuoiGuaBoarder 发表于 2013-12-11 21:16
    大侠高见, 我要回去再琢磨一下第三点看能不能理解明白

    先不要講刻滑的動作外,寛站姿至少要像下面這段影片中這麼寛,至少還有隻內腳備用。

    5#
    发表于 2013-12-11 21:44:14 | 显示全部楼层
    KuoiGuaBoarder 发表于 2013-12-11 21:39
    不行, 不行, 影片中这位大侠, 站的没我宽, 滑的没我好, 不做数, 不做数

    好吧,那個是給初中級看的,那下面這段呢?至少要站這麼寛,沒刻到也不容易滑倒。

    你覺得呢?

    点评

    这个厉害  发表于 2013-12-11 21:49
    6#
    发表于 2013-12-11 22:11:58 | 显示全部楼层
    snowrider 发表于 2013-12-11 22:07
    弱慢大師 - 我不是說要等這個討論主題 *炒熟炒爛* 之後才來做陳詞總結嗎?

    (我們等待這裡有許多高手大佬 ...

    喔,那不好意思,我心急了。

    那下面這段影片中指的冰面,就是黑黑髒髒硬硬又滑滑的那種,你同意嗎?

    点评

    是黑線上的黑黑髒髒又硬硬滑滑的冰面。在我看來,我在黑線遇到的冰面反而都好滑多了,只要鋼邊沒毛邊,就像直立刀削刀一樣。  发表于 2013-12-11 22:50
    你太搞笑了! 我們的主題是討論 冰面黑線! 不是 冰面藍綠線!  发表于 2013-12-11 22:20
    7#
    发表于 2013-12-11 22:19:03 | 显示全部楼层
    snowrider 发表于 2013-12-11 22:10
    弱慢兄來個人云亦云了?!  不要說你從未磨過刀刃 ... 10 個滑雪人裡面可能找不到一個半會去磨刀刃 ... 一 ...

    我真的有拿砂紙磨掉「毛邊」過,沒有毛邊後滑那髒髒黑黑硬硬滑滑的冰,就真的咬得住了。

    至少沒「毛邊」,咬雪會輕鬆些,還會割到手。

    所以我不喜歡磨毛邊,以前每次磨完,都要戴手套才敢大膽拿著走。

    点评

    我還拿過銼刀磨邊,跟用AB膠及一張廢棄的信用卡來補板底被柏油路刮到的大凹痕,很有用喔。  发表于 2013-12-11 22:44
    OMG! 弱慢大師你真的太寶了! 雪板上汽車機油 + 砂紙打磨雪板刀刃 + ... 還有什麼說來讓大家開開眼界?!  发表于 2013-12-11 22:23
    8#
    发表于 2013-12-12 01:09:42 | 显示全部楼层
    snowrider 发表于 2013-12-11 22:10
    弱慢兄來個人云亦云了?!  不要說你從未磨過刀刃 ... 10 個滑雪人裡面可能找不到一個半會去磨刀刃 ... 一 ...

    其實看到你這段,我腦海裏想起了數年前我教過一個人一個方法下冰面,那就是用side slipping,強調保持面谷,雪杖先撐住,慢轉下山,以side slipping保持平衡側滑到停止,再點杖,周而復始,就這樣慢慢下山了。

    我只剩下這種很初期的方法,不知這樣子算不算?
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