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来点实际的吧:如何滑冰疙瘩和严重冰面(黑道)

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21#
发表于 2013-12-10 17:45:37 | 显示全部楼层
c和p的牌牌都很upset,俄们这些混混还有什么指望?

22#
发表于 2013-12-10 17:56:30 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 checkmoteur 于 2013-12-10 17:57 编辑

今儿又去滑了一天,well,半天。有一个不好的感觉。

第一,自己说那些仍然有效。

第二,严格说并不是冰,只是hard patch,被那些该死的搓坡的单板刮平了而已,与冰有不小的距离。

——单板可以下steep的么,总么俄见过的从来都是屁股板子一起往下搓?

今儿人好少啊,算上我,golden chair上面的黑道和竞技蓝道,不超过10个人。超级面条雪,处子状态。

滑一段停一下,回头追踪雪迹,发现很多地方,由apex开始,外板的痕迹变粗,只有一小点而已。这是最近两周发展出来的猛踩外板的后果。

个别地方几乎找到hip to hill的感觉,一遍滑一边观察,结果把counter松了,整个人拍在雪面上,第一着陆点为右脸颊......到现在还麻麻的。草。

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OMG ... "第一着陆点为右脸颊" ... ouch ...  发表于 2013-12-10 20:04
23#
发表于 2013-12-10 18:01:37 | 显示全部楼层
西部的雪真是太棒了。再回去,恐怕不会滑了。
24#
发表于 2013-12-10 18:29:03 | 显示全部楼层
闲的没事上网搜,epicski上有一个帖,其中这个观点比较中肯,俄脚得:

Skiing ice is all about good balance and soft feet.  You need to have a good feel for it.  Skidding through or even side slipping on sharp edges is often the best approach.  

If I were expecting to find unavoidable steep ice in the backcountry, I would be sure to bring a ski with sharp edges and at least a little camber, and maybe even one that would chatter easily.  I hate chatter, but it's better than sliding to my death.

还有这个观点,强调aggressive,跟俄自己的比较像了:

I think the best/simplest thing to remember or try to do to ski it well is to do your best to remain aggressive on your skis. When conditions are ugly, people tend to get defensive and keep more of their weight back or into the hill and getting more weight on the inside/uphill ski, rather than keeping the shoulders level to the fall line and maintaining pressure on the outside/downhill ski. The more you back off, the less effective your edges become, so it becomes a death spiral of defensive skiing to lack of edge grip to total lack of control.

So at the end of your turns, think about keeping the shoulders level to the fall line, reaching down the hill with the pole plant, making the "C" shape with your body, more or less all the little tricks we think about when skiing something a bit steeper. That'll help keep you balanced over the outside ski, so that if/when you do lose your edge grip, you're in a good balanced position to keep your feet underneath you, rather than having them shoot out from under you down the hill and going down on your side.

To actually look good while skiing ice requires a combination of properly tuned gear and delicate pressure control on your edges to keep the ride smooth and minimize any big impulsive forces on the skis that would cause you to lose your edge.

但是也有反面的意见,拿雪地开车举例子,也有道理:

As an eastern skier, I ski and teach on ice all the time. People tend to tense up and fight the ice which really doesn't work well. Small movements vs aggressively pushing the skis - just like driving on ice - quick and aggressive movements will send you quickly to the ditch.

接合自己的一点体会,俄是脚得skidding turn,要算最不坏的结果吧。俄前面说那些,在hard patch上有浮雪时还是有用的,至少还是可以刻下去的。真回到东部的冰上,俄回忆中,主要的做法,还是上面第一条居多。

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俄就是看哦,连注册的心都没敢起... btw,那上面也打得蛮热闹的  发表于 2013-12-10 20:50
@雪骑,还是在我们这里混吧  发表于 2013-12-10 20:43
我同事 TheRusty 在 epicski 灌水灌了 10 年 ... 告訴我 epicski 上面有許多是 demo team 的超級高手 ...  发表于 2013-12-10 20:41
epicski 上面是真正的臥虎藏龍 ... 我以前註冊了 ... 上去一看 ... 根本沒有讓我吹牛的空間 ... 於是就不去了!  发表于 2013-12-10 20:11
25#
发表于 2013-12-10 18:38:44 | 显示全部楼层
忘了发主帖了。那个帖的主帖给出一系列选择:

You are faced with a steep, high consequence slope that's very firm.

What is the safest way to ski it?

-skidded turns (s- turns)
-skidded turns, connected by traverses (hard edged, so no slippage downhill)
-side slip
-carved turns, conected by traverses
-carved turns

These are not just idle questions. Skiing in the backcountry, even though not searched for, will bring you in contact with very firm conditions, and if you have 2000 ft of vertical at 45 degrees...

俄脚得skidded turns, connected by traverses是在东部可以做到的,carved turns, conected by traverses,在西部可以。

足工足本的carved turns,好像不行。

而且,怎么也得是高stance。
26#
发表于 2013-12-10 20:44:59 | 显示全部楼层
KuoiGuaBoarder 发表于 2013-12-10 19:51
人家雪骑大侠说啦,racer比赛的赛道都是拿大水管浇成冰的, 那个racer高站姿搓下来的?

亲,反正都是滑 ...



这不是高站姿搓咩?
27#
发表于 2013-12-10 20:53:20 | 显示全部楼层
KuoiGuaBoarder 发表于 2013-12-10 20:49
大侠说是就是

第一,高站姿

第二,双脚

搓。

搓掉前半段,刻后半段。

有问题咩?有问题嫩说啊。嫩不说,俄总么知道涅?

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梗係無問題啦  发表于 2013-12-10 20:56
28#
发表于 2013-12-10 21:02:42 | 显示全部楼层
哦,忘了汇报另外一点,右颧骨着陆的同时,左脚内刃摆右脚裤脚齐刷刷切了一道口子。当时没注意,滑完了,发现大量碎雪经由这道口子钻入雪裤里面,团成一个雪球,走路时直砸后脚跟。

嫩可以想象,俄刚发现这个雪球时,该有多么的丈二和尚,摸不着头脑。

俄娘如果知道,又该说业从口出了。这两天起劲地挤兑瓜教主,高唱雪杖就是两把菜刀,报应来了吧,报应来了吧。

马勒隔壁的。

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LOL ... 以後不擠兌瓜瓜了!  发表于 2013-12-10 21:57
亲,俺裤子上好几道呢  发表于 2013-12-10 21:23
好大一个雪球啊,拿不出来,只好等它化。这不裤脚现在还没干  发表于 2013-12-10 21:03
29#
发表于 2013-12-10 22:46:07 | 显示全部楼层
刚发现另外一个后遗症。拍在雪面上的时候,顺便摆烟盒拍扁了。现在发现里面的香烟,不是掉渣了,就是破洞了。整整一盒。

马勒隔壁的。

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b-p
要注意文雅,现在都说买了个表  发表于 2013-12-11 06:49
30#
发表于 2013-12-10 22:49:35 | 显示全部楼层
另外在看Josh Forester的视频,意外发现angulation=发力的这个说法,在c那里,也是成立的。只不过,他们把这叫hip to grip……

看这里:



前面说了,俄看过另外一个josh,c2级,滑的时候,表现出非常健壮的发力,结果在这个josh这里证实。俄的英文名也是josh哦。缘分啊。

看来俄仍然走在正确的道路上。

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不管怎们辩论都行, 但说脏话就不好!  发表于 2013-12-11 09:05
not your fault, mine。玩闹论坛有玩闹论坛的玩法,俄第一次玩,真的太多不适应。还是专心混俄的时政论坛去了  发表于 2013-12-10 23:42
我错了,大哥!  发表于 2013-12-10 23:14
晓得了。原来这就叫自夸... what a small-mindedness you guys have. fuck it  发表于 2013-12-10 23:06
没见过你这么自夸的!狠!  发表于 2013-12-10 22:53
soryy,josh foster,不是forester。  发表于 2013-12-10 22:50
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