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Form or Function?

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11#
发表于 2014-4-21 12:16:38 | 只看该作者
It was not until I took the lvl1 training session that I became aware that I focused too much on the form "facing down hill".
I ended up with turning my head and shoulders to make sure I do face down hill. However I forgot to feel the
essence of this drill " turn with lower body".

And it's the root cause of some skiers on this forum do UN-neccessary counter-rotation that compromises balance while skiing.

a lot of time and mileage wasted.

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You were taught a wrong form. Blame you coach, not the correct forms.  发表于 2014-4-21 12:19
12#
发表于 2014-4-21 12:19:09 | 只看该作者
your starting point is wrong:
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首先型式决定功能, 型式的大骨架是物理力学与人体生理结构共同决定的, 很少有差别. 不同的型式, 产生不同的功能. 错误的形式只能产生错误的功能.

这一点也决定了, 学习必然是从学习型式开始.

功能决定型式, 是说根据想要的不同功能, 来选择相应的型式, 而不是否认型式对功能的决定性作用.

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how wrong? teach me.  发表于 2014-4-21 12:21
13#
发表于 2014-4-21 12:22:11 | 只看该作者
IntoTheWind  As a matter of fact, I will never teach anyone "facing downhill".  发表于 7 分钟前

it's a good drill, depending on how you teach others.
it's used in CSIA 1 and 2.
many racers do that as well.

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画猫不成反累虎  发表于 2014-4-21 12:24
that's only part of the form. the focus should be lower body.  发表于 2014-4-21 12:23
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 楼主| 发表于 2014-4-21 12:26:24 | 只看该作者
bullpower 发表于 2014-4-21 13:22
IntoTheWind  As a matter of fact, I will never teach anyone "facing downhill".  发表于 7 分钟前

i ...

Brother Bull, I'm done having fun.
Have a nice day too.
15#
发表于 2014-4-21 12:30:48 | 只看该作者

IntoTheWind  You were taught a wrong form. Blame you coach, not the correct forms.  发表于 2 分钟前

It's NOT a wrong form. If you are a strong skier, you can do that in short radius turns/moguls.
If you are not a strong skier, you cannot do that in whatever radius turns, even in short radius.

regardless, the essence "turn with lower body", a result coming out of it is "facing downhill".
You should let your students feel more of "turning with lower body"

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同意。“面向山下”不是必须,“下身带转”是必须。而前者是后者带来的视觉效果  发表于 2014-4-21 12:34
16#
发表于 2014-4-21 12:36:53 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 bullpower 于 2014-4-21 12:41 编辑

firehwak2018  同意。“面向山下”不是必须,“下身带转”是必须。而前者是后者带来的视觉效果  发表于 14 秒前

so when you teach, you tell your student both, but explain to them to feel more of "turning with lower body"
and tell them if you feel strongly "turning with lower body", you can do "facing down hill".
Tell them put more efforts on lower body to be able to face downhill instead of shoulders and neck.

My instructor told me a drill which is a variation of the above,
you can totally forget your upper body, you are allowed to even turn with your upper body
or at least the instructor does not care.
The key is:
Try to turn skis across the hill as much as possible and  you must achieve a feeling that the front of boots almost
coming out of the binding.

I'm sure I'm learning "turning lower body" in this exercise.

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我大概会先让他们练这个drill,告诉他们要强调用体会只下身转。 最后总结下这个drill的目的,可能提一下,不必要始终面朝山下  发表于 2014-4-21 12:44
17#
发表于 2014-4-21 13:35:55 | 只看该作者
千秋万载,一桶糨糊!

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你们的耻笑, 阻挡不了我和牛哥追求真理的脚步. 咋样  发表于 2014-4-21 14:40
18#
发表于 2014-4-21 14:05:39 | 只看该作者
cat 发表于 2014-4-21 13:35
千秋万载,一桶糨糊!

糨糊一桶!
19#
发表于 2014-4-21 14:07:09 | 只看该作者
要火,强帖留名
20#
发表于 2014-4-21 14:21:09 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 snowrider 于 2014-6-15 00:29 编辑

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IntoTheWind - 我是看到貓貓這樣回話 就把我笑壞了!  发表于 2014-4-21 15:36
笑啥呢? 笑一笑就不糨糊了?  发表于 2014-4-21 14:38
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