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这算哪门子技术?

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 楼主| 发表于 2013-11-11 00:47:08 | 只看该作者
cat 发表于 2013-11-11 00:29
开个玩笑,话说楼主颇有瓜教授当年之勇

压力控制什么时候成了死命踩板了?控制者,如胶似漆,绵绵不绝也。 ...

那俄也跟猫侠开个玩笑好了。请猫侠回查全文,可见俺说到压板时,提及“控制”二字?

嫩没见俄说压不住就搓,搓不住就摔么?俄水平再低,也不敢摆这个称为控制吧,乃至立论曰压力控制就是死踩板儿?

猫侠嫩也太抬举俄了。

俄这种水平的,滑的时候能有意识地压板,俄已经大喜过望了。控制,轮到俄谈时,得是若干年后了。

还是那话。滑雪,俄不行。写字吹水,俄倒也有数。所以,还不至于让猫侠挑出那么大漏子来吧。
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发表于 2013-11-11 08:24:13 | 只看该作者
checkmoteur 发表于 2013-11-11 00:47
那俄也跟猫侠开个玩笑好了。请猫侠回查全文,可见俺说到压板时,提及“控制”二字?

嫩没见俄说压不住就 ...

查大侠威武
13#
发表于 2013-11-11 11:21:54 | 只看该作者
膜拜各路高手
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 楼主| 发表于 2013-11-11 20:59:16 | 只看该作者
轻骑少侠那几个回复俄也不太能够请教。如果说腾空+扭转只是为了过门,那么下图这位所作的,就不太好解释了:



这个是Headwaters Chutes,据说有45度的倾斜角。

注意点杖的动作,绝非蜻蜓点水而已。俄认为这就是提供动力的一种点杖方法,跟racing的slalom相同。

进一步,图中这位高手有如下一段论述,关于steep,可以与图相印证:

In any case, the idea of a "carved turn" on very steep terrain (at normal speeds) is quite different from carving linked "railroad tracks" on flat terrain. The engagement, pressure, and reverse-camber carving phase must start much later in the turn, when the gravitational and centrifugal forces of the turn combine to pull you "out" of the turn. Resisting these forces provides the pressure you need to bend your skis and carve. You must be much more patient, allowing these forces to develop, to carve on the steeps.

What do you do in the mean time, while you're patiently waiting? You prepare! You focus on releasing the edges to start the turn--not engaging them. You guide your skis down the hill into the turn, rather than expecting them to carve, as you allow gravity to pull you down the hill. You incline your body into the turn--it will feel like falling--which will both tip your skis and move you inside the path of your skis, where you will be in balance later, when your skis engage and carve back beneath you.

Note that these turns are "carved," in the sense that my skis pretty much travel the direction they're pointed, as opposed to being pushed sideways into a skid--even in the upper halves of the turns when they are unweighted. When the edges engage--about at the fall line (when they point straight downhill)--my skis are already tipped to a high angle, and I am inclined well inside their path, so they can carve cleanly through the middle and bottom of the turn. In the top half of the turn, my skis are light on the snow and I'm guiding them actively along their path with my legs. In the bottom half of the turns, it is easy to get enough pressure and edge angle to bend the skis into deep arcs, so they can continue to carve the same tight radius I guided them into in the upper half.

While my skis are very much "unweighted" at the top of the turn, these are hardly "hop turns." Hop turns begin with a quick leg extension from an edge set, momentarily increasing the pressure underfoot as you leap into the air. By contrast, in these turns there is very little "up" motion through the transition, and my legs extend to their longest only as I incline through the top half of the turn. These turns end with an edge release, where my skis have rolled off the high angles of earlier in the turn and let go of the mountain, as my body crosses over and moves down the hill. Instead of the big effort of an extension (hop), these turns begin with relaxation, as I let go of the pressure of the previous turn, allowing my skis to continue to move forward beneath me, as my body continues its existing motion across the skis' path and down the hill.

再进一步的话,这位老兄还有一个视频。视频就主题来说,不是专门表现这套技术的,但有太多地方是鲜活的体现:

http://vimeo.com/24100822#at=0

当然基本上说到这儿,俄这套花枪,也就算耍露馅儿了。俄还是老实一点,承认这里所谈的一切都来自这位BB老兄。racer那个不过是障眼法,以racer说开去比较容易惹人注目,才拿racer说事。

当然racer的slalom,跟BB的steep滑法,的确是暗合的,倒也是俄的一个发现。

点评

再仔细看看?  发表于 2013-11-12 09:47
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发表于 2013-11-11 21:41:24 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 norman 于 2013-11-11 21:42 编辑

對其他派的方法不論。

但個人確實有兩種不同點杖方法及看法。

點杖有分「虛點」跟「實點」,這兩種動作不同,點杖時效及時機動作也不同,最後造成的是喜歡「虛點」的方法,就不會練實點,大多不認為真有「實點」這種方式,因為沒練好之前,容易破壞身體的動作,還容易扭到手腕。

練會「實點」後,大多就不喜歡「虛點」,因為「虛點」的平衡只能靠自身,「實點」的平衡會有1/3要靠點杖,所以就會產生,「虛點」只能把點杖的動作當節奏練,有時就會出現拿不拿雪杖有點無所謂了,「實點」才能真正發揮雪杖的功用。所以在饅頭上使用「虛點」或「實點」,兩者的動作風格是不同的。

另一點個人的看法在陡坡能不能在上半C保持雪板壓力,這是可以的。

点评

剛午覺回來,哈哈。  发表于 2013-11-12 01:21
LOL ... 弱慢兄洗洗去睡吧!  发表于 2013-11-11 22:43
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发表于 2013-11-11 22:19:57 | 只看该作者
checkmoteur 发表于 2013-11-11 20:59
轻骑少侠那几个回复俄也不太能够请教。如果说腾空+扭转只是为了过门,那么下图这位所作的,就不太好解释了 ...

哎呀, 我再说一次.

竞技滑雪 和 休闲滑雪是两码事.

甚至前山和后山也是两种完全不同的东西.

点评

前山和后山有什么区别?  发表于 2013-11-12 09:56
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发表于 2013-11-11 22:23:23 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 firehwak2018 于 2013-11-11 22:35 编辑
KuoiGuaBoarder 发表于 2013-11-11 22:19
哎呀, 我再说一次.

竞技滑雪 和 休闲滑雪是两码事.


请大侠展开讨论一下竞技滑雪和休闲滑雪的区别~

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发表于 2013-11-11 22:25:17 | 只看该作者
firehwak2018 发表于 2013-11-11 22:23
请大侠展开讨论一下竞技滑雪和休闲滑雪的区别~

再说一次:

没好吃的不解释
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 楼主| 发表于 2013-11-11 22:37:07 | 只看该作者
KuoiGuaBoarder 发表于 2013-11-11 22:19
哎呀, 我再说一次.

竞技滑雪 和 休闲滑雪是两码事.

翻来覆去也就那几个话题的,那就翻来覆去地说好了。

俄的观点,是一回事。

给个公式:racing=all-mountain skiing。

尤其是slalom。

点评

俄的公式是说racing等于全山滑雪。racing只是通过人为设置,摆all-mountain skiing所能遭遇的各种状况典型化极端化而已  发表于 2013-11-12 21:57
racing=所有技术减去全山地技术?  发表于 2013-11-12 18:46
瓜教主这个玩拐的好轻灵啊,也在玩slalom?  发表于 2013-11-11 23:05
查大侠说的对  发表于 2013-11-11 22:38
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 楼主| 发表于 2013-11-11 22:47:30 | 只看该作者
norman 发表于 2013-11-11 21:41
對其他派的方法不論。

但個人確實有兩種不同點杖方法及看法。

实点其实也分两种,所谓blocking和re-centering,这里有俄年初编译的一篇东西:

http://skichinese.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=7167

俄现在的做法,大量的blocking,也有re-centering好像。

点评

確實是有兩種,但跟你的理解一不一樣,我就不知道了。  发表于 2013-11-12 01:25
真用心,佩服又膜拜呀!!  发表于 2013-11-12 01:23
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