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2012/01/29 MSLM 把脉活动(6-bingster)

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发表于 2012-1-30 19:35:02 | 只看该作者
好看!
12#
发表于 2012-1-30 21:43:22 | 只看该作者
回复 10 # 面条雪 的帖子

Thank you very much for your comments. I remember you are a PMTS expert.

I just started learning PMTS starting from this season. I just finished reading and practicing most of HH's book 1. I just started reading essencials book since last week. I only read counter action chapter based on a PMTS ski instructor's suggestion.

1. Lift and tip:
I have been practicing lift and tip for a month until 10 days ago. I went to see a PMTS instructor. And he stopped me from doing that. He said that's a beginner's move. Experts always keep the inside ski close to snow and make those small movements inside the boot. So even you don't see lift and tip, but the magic happens inside my boots :). I never twist my feet. Trust me on that. But I know I am still struggling on this and feel frustrate for this change (of not lift and tip). For 13", I didn't lift my foot. I will never lift my foot like that. The inside foot was bounced up by a small bump on snow. The inside foot bounced up, not the outside foot. It's a clear sign that my inside foot carries no weight.
2. Flex, you are very right. I have lots of up and down movements. Those are carried over from Lito methods. HH didn't mention flex in book 1. So I haven't got a chance to fix them. I know I have hard work ahead on this.
3. counter balance: I haven't read that chapter yet.

You have sharp eyes!!

I will try to take another video this week. One of them I will make lift and tip obvious. Please come and take a look by then.

I am sorry that I disappointed you. But I will work hard and make myself a PMTS skier. But it will take some time.

Thanks again.

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anyway, you probably should listen to the instructor. admire you to have a pmts instructor there. I have to learn all by myself. so it's really good to have someone with same vocabulary here!  发表于 2012-1-30 21:56
actually HH advocates that the inside foot should be lifted at least for a split second during transition to make sure balance is completely transferred. some of his videos (not drills) show this too  发表于 2012-1-30 21:50
HH said 'lifting is to learn, lighting is for expert', so if you still have problem with balancing completely on stance leg (since your inside leg is loaded), then lifting drill is still necessary  发表于 2012-1-30 21:48
By the way, I just changed my 自定义头衔 to "PMTS starter" so that other people won't think I am good at PMTS or something like that.  发表于 2012-1-30 21:45
13#
发表于 2012-1-30 22:00:18 | 只看该作者
回复 10 # 面条雪 的帖子

You mentioned "pulling the foot back and close to stance leg, push inside hip forward and upward".
If you watch my video carefully, after the start of every each turn, I have a small move to pull the new inside foot to the outside foot. That's another sign that the inside foot doesn't carry weight. Otherwise I won't be able to make those small lift and pull movements.

As for "push inside hip forward and upward", I don't quite understand that. I think after I read essencials book. I will get better a understanding of that.

Thanks for your comments again.

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anyway, my 2 cents is to get rid of up&down completely by flexing stance leg, and add more tipping at and during transition. i have even more to work on myself so good luck to both of us.  发表于 2012-1-30 22:07
yes your inside foot management is definitely better than mine (i am still struggling with a-frame during transition). the hip forward upward is to include pelvis in CA/CB. yes in essential book.  发表于 2012-1-30 22:03
14#
发表于 2012-1-30 22:15:01 | 只看该作者
回复 10 # 面条雪 的帖子
面条雪  actually HH advocates that the inside foot should be lifted at least for a split second during transition to make sure balance is completely transferred. some of his videos (not drills) show this too  发表于 13 分钟前

I remember, in book one, in the early drills, HH mentioned lift and tip. But later on, he said keep the ski on snow and scrap (or scratch, I forgot the exact word) on the surface of snow.
The instructor said that in short turns, HH really lift and tip. But for medium and long radius turns, HH kept his skis on snow. (I was trying to defend my lift and tip during that training lesson.)

面条雪  anyway, you probably should listen to the instructor. admire you to have a pmts instructor there. I have to learn all by myself. so it's really good to have someone with same vocabulary here!  发表于 7 分钟前

Actually, I learned most of PMTS knowledge by reading books. I don't have access to PMTS instructor most of the time. I only took 2 hours lesson of that PMTS instructor. After finishing essencials book, I will go to see him again for 2 hours.

面条雪  HH said 'lifting is to learn, lighting is for expert', so if you still have problem with balancing completely on stance leg (since your inside leg is loaded), then lifting drill is still necessary  发表于 14 分钟前

Put all the weight on the outside ski, this is from my Lito method. I don't have problem on that. I gave up lift and tip is because I don't want to get that as a habbit. It might be hard to get rid of that habbit in the future.

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i c. then it's my bad. i have problem balancing on stance leg so i still do the lift and tip drills often. i think it's ok. later you will do 'side loading' (essential book) so lifting will stop.  发表于 2012-1-30 22:23
15#
发表于 2012-1-30 22:16:44 | 只看该作者
Bingster 发表于 2012-1-30 17:37
老牛昨天咋不说呢?我并不是不会滑扁S。我当时没有感觉道我滑的S太瘦。
我读的书看的DVD里,确实没有讲一 ...

兵兵。。。。我真无语了。。。。
不是让你滑扁S啊,
瘦S和扁S都不对,一个是冲坡,一个是没PHASEII

我是让你滑正S啊。。。。。

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对不起呀,我误解了。  发表于 2012-1-30 22:18
16#
发表于 2012-1-30 22:20:51 | 只看该作者
回复 10 # 面条雪 的帖子
面条雪  anyway, my 2 cents is to get rid of up&down completely by flexing stance leg, and add more tipping at and during transition. i have even more to work on myself so good luck to both of us.  发表于 11 分钟前

Good to know that you are putting your PMTS knowledge in action. Hopefully I can see you some time on the slope.

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师哥,师弟,回头我也try一段PMTS, 你们给我把脉哈  发表于 2012-1-31 10:28
it's said the best way to practise a moment is to exaggerate it. if you watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRYj1a69u2k (after 2:45) you can see how exaggerated tipping looks like.  发表于 2012-1-31 10:14
from the go pro video from behind, it seems you are only tipping to begin a turn, but not throughout the turn? we are suppose to keep, and increase tipping throughout the whole turn to get high angle.  发表于 2012-1-31 10:08
higher edge angle is the result, not the cause. the way to achieve higher edge angle is through more tipping (and later delay BTE engagement, side-loading etc.)  发表于 2012-1-31 10:06
I think for now, we just share some views and knowledge about PMTS in this forum.  发表于 2012-1-30 22:34
sure thing. if u come to tremblant maybe we can meet then. or maybe we can meet in a camp in colorado! i do plan to go there getting some boots, alignments, and camps in the future.  发表于 2012-1-30 22:30
i've been trying but it's really hard. e.g., after two seasons i suddenly realized my left foot actually doesn't know how to tip! everything sounds simple, but is in fact extremely hard.  发表于 2012-1-30 22:28
17#
发表于 2012-1-31 00:31:15 | 只看该作者
噢,面条雪和Bingster你们一唱一合的,好不热闹

哦对了,bingster你现在的录像看起来比上雪季那段horseshoe的好看

还有就是注意你点完杖之后那只手有些时候会落后一点,其他倒没啥,找其他大侠帮你看吧。觉得你现在这阶段可以考虑增加下angulation和立刃角度。
18#
发表于 2012-1-31 07:10:08 | 只看该作者

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多谢土豆  发表于 2012-1-31 08:23
19#
发表于 2012-1-31 23:42:29 | 只看该作者
面条雪  from the go pro video from behind, it seems you are only tipping to begin a turn, but not throughout the turn? we are suppose to keep, and increase tipping throughout the whole turn to get high angle.  发表于 13 小时前


Thanks 面条雪 for all these information. I need start working on these things.
One problem I found is that the phantom move is too powerful. If I hold on the tipping, the turn will be too sharp. Sometimes the turn is too sharp to handle. I will loss balance.
But of course, this only means I need more practicing to get use to this.
At the end of the season, hopefully I can post another video so that you can help to check again.
Thanks again.

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Thanks. I will check it out next time.  发表于 2012-2-1 12:16
no matter how hard you tip, you'll never get a turn 'sharp' enough to cause loss of balance, unless if the skis start to twist or slide - next time try your 'sharp turn' again to see if skis twis   发表于 2012-2-1 10:45
I thought you guys tipping it without enough speed.  发表于 2012-2-1 00:17
But the goal is, when tipping inside ski, the outside ski should follow the inside ski. If you tip the inside ski hard, the outside ski will tip hard. And this will lead to a sharp turn.  发表于 2012-2-1 00:10
once you get this park and ride turn, then next step is to try to tighten the arc, by loading the ski tip, side-loading and flexing the inside leg, etc. and all these are very hard (at least 4 me)  发表于 2012-2-1 00:09
if you really stand on one foot, and lift&tip the other (without losing balance), then you can tip as hard as you want, and the turn will still be very large radius - a typical park and ride turn.  发表于 2012-2-1 00:06
Interesting. I will check it out next time skiing.  发表于 2012-2-1 00:05
i used to think that way too, but later found it's not really 'too sharp => imbalance' but the other way around 'loss of balance=>sharp and sliding/twisting turn'.  发表于 2012-2-1 00:01
下次有机会拍一段, 看看到底是什么咚咚  发表于 2012-1-31 23:50
I follow nothing... just try which one can satisfy me. :)  发表于 2012-1-31 23:50
20#
发表于 2012-1-31 23:47:20 | 只看该作者
我上周race培训,碰上了harb系统的教练。教的是很不错,就是滑10分钟讲20分钟,感觉太饶舌,幸好以前看过一点他的专业术语。班上大部分人都云里雾里。

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我们这个教练如果是雪场私教的话,一定被投诉。因为话太多,还都是专业术语。好教练不管是哪个系统的,都能教出好学生。  发表于 2012-2-1 00:00
多伦多区PMTS教练很少见。并且我知道的那个PMTS教练好象还受到CSIA教练群团的排挤 :(  发表于 2012-1-31 23:53
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