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作者: lupo 时间: 2011-3-1 09:08
标题: 大回转示意图
本帖最后由 lupo 于 2011-3-1 10:13 编辑

大回转示意图（重量分配-身体朝向-重心线CM-身体与板的前后左右位置-立刃角度等）转至-绿野-雪飞龙

作者: lupo 时间: 2011-3-1 09:13
本帖最后由 lupo 于 2011-3-1 10:14 编辑

充分说明high-c重要性！图一，7号位置！

作者: Phoenixtear 时间: 2011-3-1 09:46
不是里面的手应该比外面高，肩膀和坡面平行吗，怎么看图片是刚好反过来里面的手几乎摸到地面外面的手很高，而且肩膀和坡面垂直。一直没搞明白肩膀和手的问题。

作者: Phoenixtear 时间: 2011-3-1 10:07

lupo 不是高手自己瞎琢磨的。入弯的时候速度大。你仔细看看miller那段入弯的确如你说的一样外面比里面高进弯之后身体重心全部在山下板上，外底里高发表于 53 秒前

谢谢，不过还是不太明白。这问题也在雪场专门找教练问过，不过也都讲得很含糊一带就过也不演示，似乎他们觉得这是小问题不重要。

作者: snowspring 时间: 2011-3-1 18:04
For little P: I was told by Cathy Prophet that you start the turn with inclination and you switch to angulation. It seems to me when you incline your inner hand may be lower and when you angulate you outer hand will be lower. So there is a change in the position of the hand (or shoulder). Maybe that explains why you are seeing the mechanics in the pictures.

作者: snowspring 时间: 2011-3-1 18:38
本帖最后由 snowspring 于 2011-3-1 18:38 编辑

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Hi jimmellon I was told by Kathy Prophet last December during the convention as I was taking a ski imp module with her that you start the turn with inclination and finish off with angulation. These are all skills a good skier should have. There was a lot of angulation emphasized in the past few years but i can see a come back of inclination this year. Sometimes I see people doing drills on the mountain just on inclination. Maybe that is a new thing.

作者: Tridacna 时间: 2011-3-1 18:42

Phoenixtear 发表于 2011-3-1 09:46
不是里面的手应该比外面高，肩膀和坡面平行吗，怎么看图片是刚好反过来里面的手几乎摸到地面外面的手很高， ...

我感觉，当你头在左边，脚在右边，你的内侧手是你的手在头和脚之间那个。

作者: nightsh 时间: 2011-3-1 21:35
本帖最后由 nightsh 于 2011-3-1 21:39 编辑

邪教两大高徒在截然不同的雪况、使用截然不同的板子滑出极其相似的high c（可以看到他们的内侧手臂都是弓起来的strong arm):

作者: jluo 时间: 2011-3-1 21:59
what is high C?

作者: jluo 时间: 2011-3-1 21:59
what is high angle?

作者: jluo 时间: 2011-3-1 22:00
what is BPSRT?

作者: jluo 时间: 2011-3-1 22:14
what is 邪教?

作者: jluo 时间: 2011-3-1 22:15
what is 正教?

作者: jluo 时间: 2011-3-1 22:18
what is 老怪?

作者: jluo 时间: 2011-3-1 22:19
okay okay

作者: jluo 时间: 2011-3-1 22:23
接着用接着用

作者: jluo 时间: 2011-3-1 22:24
the pmts wants to have high effective parallel turn at all time ... isn't that what should been done? what does csia want?

作者: jimmelon 时间: 2011-3-1 22:26
听夜上海一席话，我觉得我要追随邪教而去。娃哈哈。。。。

作者: jluo 时间: 2011-3-1 22:30
simple & function & performance ... = high effective parallel turn ... no?

作者: arooga 时间: 2011-3-1 22:31
娘的周六时试了highc时就立刻转移重心立刃好几次差点摔 .... 在刃磨快前我还是不再试了

作者: Phoenixtear 时间: 2011-3-1 23:24
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Snowspring, can you explain a little bit more in detail about the difference between inclination and angulation?

作者: Phoenixtear 时间: 2011-3-2 00:33
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邓小平语："管他黑猫白猫，抓到老鼠就是好猫"。

作者: lupo 时间: 2011-3-2 07:33
邪教正教都应该源自一个宗师--奥地利

我来尝试理一下线索，csia的滑雪课体验过，课上练习过一些动作和玛蒂娜那个视频里面一样，比如用手协助体会顶跨，双手拿雪仗抬高小回体会上身不动等。玛蒂娜的单腿标枪转又和沙发滑雪、老怪的练习动作如出一辙。玛蒂娜的小回体会动作又和日本教学视频一样。里奇的6级小回转应该也是奥地利来的吧？老怪强调的high-c，在bode miller那里叫提早入弯。

可见，滑着滑着，殊途同归是必然的。

作者: lupo 时间: 2011-3-2 07:42
上面结尾还加一句，引用v老大的话是：
滑的都一样，一点个性都没有！

作者: lupo 时间: 2011-3-2 08:23

Phoenixtear 发表于 2011-3-2 00:24
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Snowspring, can you explain a little bit more in detail about the difference ...

sofa ski 里面有一段[youtube]Jd9ME4MG5do[/youtube]

leaning to the inside就是inclination

滑雪应该是个动态的过程，没有绝对的不内倾或者外倾，只有在适合的时间做和合适的动作。

转弯过程中压刃的动作，必然是顶跨做 angulation

作者: lupo 时间: 2011-3-2 11:02
jimmelon 个性还是有的吧, 像沙发和jf

不好意思，俺没有表达清楚。如果高手滑的都一样，一点个性都没有！

作者: lupo 时间: 2011-3-2 21:52
Phoenixtear 谢了，不过你这样贴出来不会侵犯版权吗？

这个是DVD厂商的广告！！

作者: lupo 时间: 2011-3-2 22:20
inclination就是lean to the inside,angulation就是在身体倾斜的同时，上身反过来成一个角度朝着山下吧，就像视频中1:52那样？

没错，1:38是动态分析，52那个是基本姿势。

作者: snowspring 时间: 2011-3-2 22:51
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Yeah thanks Lupo. I went to BM today so I could not reply to PT earlier. Both inclination and angulation will result in edging but have different bio-mechanics in terms of the the position of the big body joints. Inclination only requires the the body leaning into the hill in a lateral direction. - without causing the joints to change positions. Angulation will cause the joints to move in different directions so that they are in different angles to one another. Angulation can result in more edge angle with more stability but inclination, while not being able to edge a lot, can initate turning quite easily. I guess you can initiate the turn with simple edging but inclination can also sometimes mix edging with a slight sliding when you begin the turn (Of course this is not recommended by Harb but I find that very useful when you are doing intermediate // turns taught by the CSIA). In any event, you can use a mix of the inclination and angulation, like Kathy Prophet says, first inclination then angulation, and it is up to you to feel the degree of finesse you want. It is a nice way to ski without too much effort once you get the rhythm it is really quite enjoyable.

作者: FloatFar 时间: 2011-3-22 10:19
谢谢分享！绝对给力的理论知道，决定照猫画虎照葫芦画瓢的跟着练。

作者: FallenBird 时间: 2011-3-23 19:10
。。这贴一定要保存好。。
以后学ski的时候就靠它了

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