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Form or Function?

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发表于 2014-4-21 10:40:44 | 只看该作者 回帖奖励 |倒序浏览 |阅读模式
Form or Function?

型式与功能是辩证的逻辑关系, 任何强调其中之一, 而忽视另一个的思想都是严重错误的.

首先型式决定功能, 型式的大骨架是物理力学与人体生理结构共同决定的, 很少有差别. 不同的型式, 产生不同的功能. 错误的形式只能产生错误的功能.

这一点也决定了, 学习必然是从学习型式开始.

功能决定型式, 是说根据想要的不同功能, 来选择相应的型式, 而不是否认型式对功能的决定性作用.

其次正确的型式不是唯一的. 一些没那么重要的次要细节, 衍生出了各种风格的型式.

最后要防止盲目追求型式的倾向. 因为型式的致命重要性, 容易导致大家在苦命追求型式的同时, 却忘掉了型式的本来目的 - 功能.
沙发
发表于 2014-4-21 10:47:06 | 只看该作者
真理就是大白话, 说多了人瞌睡,大侠要不停地讲个笑话,不然看不下去
板凳
发表于 2014-4-21 10:48:15 | 只看该作者
不是form is determined by function 么?

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form also defines function :D  发表于 2014-4-22 14:08
这说明一个问题, 但是我不能告诉你问题是什么  发表于 2014-4-21 11:03
地板
发表于 2014-4-21 10:52:54 | 只看该作者
KuoiGuaBoarder 发表于 2014-4-21 11:47
真理就是大白话, 说多了人瞌睡,大侠要不停地讲个笑话,不然看不下去


入风大侠的这个帖子我倒是看懂了, 也没打瞌睡。
5#
发表于 2014-4-21 11:26:56 | 只看该作者
I don't think all of the above understand what "form is determined by function" truly means
You guys just take one sentence out of its whole context and judge it.

Please take a lesson.

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As a matter of fact, brother Bull has the context, but he picked that piece instead.  发表于 2014-4-21 11:41
It's brother Bull, not us, who did that.  发表于 2014-4-21 11:39
求展开  发表于 2014-4-21 11:30
6#
发表于 2014-4-21 11:30:55 | 只看该作者
bullpower 发表于 2014-4-21 12:26
I don't think all of the above understand what "form is determined by function" truly means
You guys ...

牛哥眼真毒,我就是一知半解,牛哥啥时候开个讲坛呗
7#
发表于 2014-4-21 12:04:00 | 只看该作者
I don't know your context, as all I can see is your whole post:
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Form or Function?

型式与功能是辩证的逻辑关系, 任何强调其中之一, 而忽视另一个的思想都是严重错误的.

首先型式决定功能, 型式的大骨架是物理力学与人体生理结构共同决定的, 很少有差别. 不同的型式, 产生不同的功能. 错误的形式只能产生错误的功能.

这一点也决定了, 学习必然是从学习型式开始.

功能决定型式, 是说根据想要的不同功能, 来选择相应的型式, 而不是否认型式对功能的决定性作用.

其次正确的型式不是唯一的. 一些没那么重要的次要细节, 衍生出了各种风格的型式.

最后要防止盲目追求型式的倾向. 因为型式的致命重要性, 容易导致大家在苦命追求型式的同时, 却忘掉了型式的本来目的 - 功能.
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And this is wrong.

If you teach your students form, they won't understand and won't be convinced.
they will struggle when they try to follow your form against their original form.

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why does it have to be one or the other? 两手抓、两手都要硬  发表于 2014-4-22 14:12
If they can not understand, that's a failure of yourself, not the form itself. Again you are ether ignoring Form, or ignoring Function.  发表于 2014-4-21 12:17
8#
发表于 2014-4-21 12:05:35 | 只看该作者
And there is no "产生错误的功能",
I think you are talking about result instead of function.

CSIA defines function clearly in the book
All terrain, any conditions..free to choose line and speed ... with economy of effort.
9#
发表于 2014-4-21 12:07:25 | 只看该作者
one example is how you would teach a drill "facing downhill".
Can you explain how you would teach?

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As a matter of fact, I will never teach anyone "facing downhill".  发表于 2014-4-21 12:10
10#
发表于 2014-4-21 12:08:26 | 只看该作者
又回到了两种教学理念的问题上~~~

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the way you teach somehow reflects how you learn and want to pass to your students  发表于 2014-4-21 12:10
嗯啊  发表于 2014-4-21 12:10
but teaching affects both and can be used as an example.  发表于 2014-4-21 12:10
it's not just about teaching, it's about learning as well  发表于 2014-4-21 12:09
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