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标题: 2012/01/29 MSLM 把脉活动（6-bingster） [打印本页]

作者: luvski 时间: 2012-1-30 13:02
标题: 2012/01/29 MSLM 把脉活动（6-bingster）
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作者: 土豆想旅行 时间: 2012-1-30 13:03
坐前排啊。

作者: bullpower 时间: 2012-1-30 13:08
本帖最后由 bullpower 于 2012-1-30 13:10 编辑

兵兵也要把圈画圆花完整啊，兵兵感觉雪板朝山下时间太长，滑的是瘦S形（我滑的是扁S形）。
我想这个无论你跟那个系统走，都是一个要求吧。
其他的等牌牌们说吧，不过牌牌都是CSIA系统的哦。

作者: 几亩瓜 时间: 2012-1-30 13:08
后排座座

作者: 几亩瓜 时间: 2012-1-30 13:17
这个家伙是谁啊，怎么和我一摸一样，像是一个摸子里倒出来的一样。。。。。

作者: jluo 时间: 2012-1-30 13:47
摩拜一下大侠

作者: 几亩瓜 时间: 2012-1-30 16:03
冰冰哥给你说句掏心的话，赶紧买条羊腿送lulu那去，进水楼台啊。

你这都练成野球拳了。。。。。

作者: Bingster 时间: 2012-1-30 17:37

bullpower 发表于 2012-1-30 13:08
兵兵也要把圈画圆花完整啊，兵兵感觉雪板朝山下时间太长，滑的是瘦S形（我滑的是扁S形）。
我想这个无论你 ...

老牛昨天咋不说呢？我并不是不会滑扁S。我当时没有感觉道我滑的S太瘦。
我读的书看的DVD里，确实没有讲一定要滑扁S。

作者: Bingster 时间: 2012-1-30 17:45

几亩瓜发表于 2012-1-30 16:03
冰冰哥给你说句掏心的话，赶紧买条羊腿送lulu那去，进水楼台啊。

你这都练成野球拳了。。。。。 ...

请提具体滑雪有关的建议呀。

作者: 面条雪 时间: 2012-1-30 18:24
本帖最后由面条雪于 2012-1-30 19:40 编辑

回复 9 # Bingster 的帖子

tipping: little if any inside foot tipping can be observed, except 13" seems to be a phantom move attempt, since you are lifting the inside foot, but still I don't see any observable inversion of that foot? PM is to lift and tip, if you don't even lift, then no PM. but if you only lift but don't tip, then it's still not a PM (and of coz a complete PM means much more e.g. pulling the foot back and close to stance leg, push inside hip forward and upward etc. etc. but lifting and tipping are the most essential things)

flex: there are clearly lots of up and down movements during transition, which means no flex-to-release. once you learn the up and down it's very hard to get rid of, but as long as you still have that dreaded movement in your transition, you can never take full advantage of momentum of the previous turn to help for the transition.

counter balance: there is a little CB when turning to the right, but virtually none when turning to the left (evidenced by a very straight body).

CA and fore-aft are probably not as important as these at this time.

Just my 2 cents. the sad fact is that I can't do any of the above better than you, so my 2 cents are worthless anyway and please feel free to ignore them.

FYI, here is a check list for movement analysis by Max_501 (you know where it is from):

Things to consider for MA:

Is the stance width appropriate for the size of the skier?
Does the release start by flexing the outside leg?
Does LTE tipping lead engagement to the new turn?
Are the feet pulled back at transition?
Is the inside foot held back throughout the turn?
Is there enough CB and CA and is the timing right?
Is the pelvis included in the CB/CA movement?
Strong inside arm?
Is the inside leg flexed as the turn progresses?
Does the outside leg extend naturally (no pushing) as the turn progresses?
Does LTE tipping of the inside foot continue throughout the turn?
Is the skier balanced over the outside ski?
Is there a pole touch and how is the movement and timing?
Alignment - watch the skis and knees carefully - does anything look like it needs go be tipped in or out?

Taking video for MA:

Stand about half way down the run. This depends on length of run and amount of terrain you can see. Generally I try to split the visible filming distance so I can get an equal number of turns from the front and back. Video at least 5 turns of the front, as the skier approaches, and then al least 5 turns from back, as the subject skis away. Pan smoothly as the subject passes keeping the skier in frame so we can see a side view. Use the zoom and OIS features if your camera has them. I suggest a max of 10x zoom which will help with image stability. If you need to exceed 10X zoom consider using a monopod.

作者: swimmingfish 时间: 2012-1-30 19:35
好看！

作者: Bingster 时间: 2012-1-30 21:43
回复 10 # 面条雪的帖子

Thank you very much for your comments. I remember you are a PMTS expert.

I just started learning PMTS starting from this season. I just finished reading and practicing most of HH's book 1. I just started reading essencials book since last week. I only read counter action chapter based on a PMTS ski instructor's suggestion.

1. Lift and tip:
I have been practicing lift and tip for a month until 10 days ago. I went to see a PMTS instructor. And he stopped me from doing that. He said that's a beginner's move. Experts always keep the inside ski close to snow and make those small movements inside the boot. So even you don't see lift and tip, but the magic happens inside my boots :). I never twist my feet. Trust me on that. But I know I am still struggling on this and feel frustrate for this change (of not lift and tip). For 13", I didn't lift my foot. I will never lift my foot like that. The inside foot was bounced up by a small bump on snow. The inside foot bounced up, not the outside foot. It's a clear sign that my inside foot carries no weight.
2. Flex, you are very right. I have lots of up and down movements. Those are carried over from Lito methods. HH didn't mention flex in book 1. So I haven't got a chance to fix them. I know I have hard work ahead on this.
3. counter balance: I haven't read that chapter yet.

You have sharp eyes!!

I will try to take another video this week. One of them I will make lift and tip obvious. Please come and take a look by then.

I am sorry that I disappointed you. But I will work hard and make myself a PMTS skier. But it will take some time.

Thanks again.

作者: Bingster 时间: 2012-1-30 22:00
回复 10 # 面条雪的帖子

You mentioned "pulling the foot back and close to stance leg, push inside hip forward and upward".
If you watch my video carefully, after the start of every each turn, I have a small move to pull the new inside foot to the outside foot. That's another sign that the inside foot doesn't carry weight. Otherwise I won't be able to make those small lift and pull movements.

As for "push inside hip forward and upward", I don't quite understand that. I think after I read essencials book. I will get better a understanding of that.

Thanks for your comments again.

作者: Bingster 时间: 2012-1-30 22:15
回复 10 # 面条雪的帖子

面条雪 actually HH advocates that the inside foot should be lifted at least for a split second during transition to make sure balance is completely transferred. some of his videos (not drills) show this too 发表于 13 分钟前

I remember, in book one, in the early drills, HH mentioned lift and tip. But later on, he said keep the ski on snow and scrap (or scratch, I forgot the exact word) on the surface of snow.
The instructor said that in short turns, HH really lift and tip. But for medium and long radius turns, HH kept his skis on snow. (I was trying to defend my lift and tip during that training lesson.)

面条雪 anyway, you probably should listen to the instructor. admire you to have a pmts instructor there. I have to learn all by myself. so it's really good to have someone with same vocabulary here! 发表于 7 分钟前

Actually, I learned most of PMTS knowledge by reading books. I don't have access to PMTS instructor most of the time. I only took 2 hours lesson of that PMTS instructor. After finishing essencials book, I will go to see him again for 2 hours.

面条雪 HH said 'lifting is to learn, lighting is for expert', so if you still have problem with balancing completely on stance leg (since your inside leg is loaded), then lifting drill is still necessary 发表于 14 分钟前

Put all the weight on the outside ski, this is from my Lito method. I don't have problem on that. I gave up lift and tip is because I don't want to get that as a habbit. It might be hard to get rid of that habbit in the future.

作者: bullpower 时间: 2012-1-30 22:16

Bingster 发表于 2012-1-30 17:37
老牛昨天咋不说呢？我并不是不会滑扁S。我当时没有感觉道我滑的S太瘦。
我读的书看的DVD里，确实没有讲一 ...

兵兵。。。。我真无语了。。。。
不是让你滑扁S啊，
瘦S和扁S都不对，一个是冲坡，一个是没PHASEII

我是让你滑正S啊。。。。。

作者: Bingster 时间: 2012-1-30 22:20
回复 10 # 面条雪的帖子

面条雪 anyway, my 2 cents is to get rid of up&down completely by flexing stance leg, and add more tipping at and during transition. i have even more to work on myself so good luck to both of us. 发表于 11 分钟前

Good to know that you are putting your PMTS knowledge in action. Hopefully I can see you some time on the slope.

作者: Phoenixtear 时间: 2012-1-31 00:31
噢，面条雪和Bingster你们一唱一合的，好不热闹

哦对了，bingster你现在的录像看起来比上雪季那段horseshoe的好看

还有就是注意你点完杖之后那只手有些时候会落后一点，其他倒没啥，找其他大侠帮你看吧。觉得你现在这阶段可以考虑增加下angulation和立刃角度。

作者: 土豆想旅行 时间: 2012-1-31 07:10
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作者: Bingster 时间: 2012-1-31 23:42

面条雪 from the go pro video from behind, it seems you are only tipping to begin a turn, but not throughout the turn? we are suppose to keep, and increase tipping throughout the whole turn to get high angle. 发表于 13 小时前

Thanks 面条雪 for all these information. I need start working on these things.
One problem I found is that the phantom move is too powerful. If I hold on the tipping, the turn will be too sharp. Sometimes the turn is too sharp to handle. I will loss balance.
But of course, this only means I need more practicing to get use to this.
At the end of the season, hopefully I can post another video so that you can help to check again.
Thanks again.

作者: lupo 时间: 2012-1-31 23:47
我上周race培训，碰上了harb系统的教练。教的是很不错，就是滑10分钟讲20分钟，感觉太饶舌，幸好以前看过一点他的专业术语。班上大部分人都云里雾里。

作者: 水行者 时间: 2012-2-1 17:55
我来说说我的印象。滑得不错，比较耐看。拐弯很有耐心。

目前最大的不足是对雪板缺乏引导，进弯，弯中，出弯都存在这个问题，特别以出弯为最严重。出弯以后基本呈直线往下冲。

以后可以试着把小腿往前压紧一些。

另外有多次拐弯抬从动腿的动作（9，13，18，28秒）。这个意识是好的，可以加快新的平台的建立。不过你抬起的是整个雪板。你能把整个雪板抬起来，说明你另外一只腿的小腿肯定没压紧。下次试试只抬板尾，甚至是压板头，比较一下对主动腿有什么不一样的作用。

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